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From: drechsau@visi.com (Mike Horwath)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Winternet Update Statement
Date: 7 Jul 1996 11:15:58 GMT
Organization: Geeks Organizations
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Summary: Winternet - new or old?  I want old.
Keywords: we don't suck!
X-Files: excellent show, you gotta watch it.
X-Chicks: they rock
X-Winternet: It will rock again!
Organisation: Geeks Organizations
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I have created Winternet, and made it what it is by working very
hard over the last 4 years.

The people who forcibly took control of the Winternet machines and
offices are investers who have had nothing to do with the day to day
operations of Winternet for the majority of the last two years.

The locks on the Winternet office doors have been changed and neither
I, nor any of my employees, have been given keys.  They have
instructed the building security to deny us access to the offices.

They have locked me out of my account and have removed any power I, or
my staff, had to do system administration.

With the help of many customers, I have been monitoring the system.  I
have been keeping detailed logs of all of the problems that have
occured since the afternoon on Friday, July 5th, 1996.

I have been consulting with my attorney and am working hard to correct
the current situation.

I am dedicated to returning to you the Winternet that you know with
all its good points, and bad.

I, and my excellent staff, have enjoyed working with Winternet and its
customers, and we hope to be at the helm again soon.

Thank you for your support and continued confidence in myself, and my
staff.

--
Mike Horwath     (because of problems with mail receptions, if you send)
                 (email, please send to all addresses below.  thanks)
H: 612-588-7740  drechsau@visi.com, drechsau@io.org, drechsau@geeks.org

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From: drechsau@visi.com (Mike Horwath)
Newsgroups: winternet.announce,visi.general,mn.general,winternet.general
Subject: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 11:39:54 +0100
Organization: Winternet Corporation
Lines: 39
Approved: drechsau@winternet.com
Distribution: world
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I have created Winternet, and made it what it is by working very
hard over the last 4 years.

The people who forcibly took control of the Winternet machines and
offices are investers who have had nothing to do with the day to day
operations of Winternet for the majority of the last two years.

The locks on the Winternet office doors have been changed and neither
I, nor any of my employees, have been given keys.  They have
instructed the building security to deny us access to the offices.

They have locked me out of my account and have removed any power I, or
my staff, had to do system administration.

With the help of many customers, I have been monitoring the system.  I
have been keeping detailed logs of all of the problems that have
occured since the afternoon on Friday, July 5th, 1996.

I have been consulting with my attorney and am working hard to correct
the current situation.

I am dedicated to returning to you the Winternet that you know with
all its good points, and bad.

I, and my excellent staff, have enjoyed working with Winternet and its
customers, and we hope to be at the helm again soon.

Thank you for your support and continued confidence in myself, and my
staff.

--
Mike Horwath     (because of problems with mail receptions, if you send)
                 (email, please send to all addresses below.  thanks)
H: 612-588-7740  drechsau@visi.com, drechsau@io.org, drechsau@geeks.org

-- 
Stephen's Family Restaurant -- 45th and Central Ave NE 
Delicious Food in Columbia Heights, MN -- (612) 571-4351
Check out our web site: http://radparker.com/stephens/

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From: earltruss@sprynet.com (Earl Truss)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 16:00:23 GMT
Organization: Sprynet News Service
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Could any of these problems at Winternet be connected with lack of
email from other local ISPs such as ISD.NET?



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From: Francis Keys 
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 22:09:36 -0500
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Earl Truss wrote:
> 
> Could any of these problems at Winternet be connected with lack of
> email from other local ISPs such as ISD.NET?

It's possible, Earl.  Mike was handling quite a bit of mail and news
routing, as far as I know.  I do know that my favorite news groups
(misc.invest.stocks, rec.games.trading-cards.magic.strategy) have
stopped receiving new articles since the geniuses who ousted Mike
cold-booted all the Winternet hardware.

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From: al@radparker.com (Al Iverson)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 11:56:33 +0100
Organization: NOT happy with Winternet Corp.
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In article <4romrg$9mq@juliana.sprynet.com>, earltruss@sprynet.com (Earl
Truss) wrote:

: Could any of these problems at Winternet be connected with lack of
: email from other local ISPs such as ISD.NET?

No. What the heck are you talking about?

-- 
Stephen's Family Restaurant -- 45th and Central Ave NE 
Delicious Food in Columbia Heights, MN -- (612) 571-4351
Check out our web site: http://radparker.com/stephens/

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From: jdb@robigo.winternet.com (John Boggs)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: 08 Jul 1996 06:19:40 -0500
Organization: No Mildew
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In article <31E07BF0.41C4@visi.com> Francis Keys  writes:

   Earl Truss wrote:
   > 
   > Could any of these problems at Winternet be connected with lack of
   > email from other local ISPs such as ISD.NET?

   It's possible, Earl.  Mike was handling quite a bit of mail and news
                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   routing, as far as I know.  I do know that my favorite news groups
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   (misc.invest.stocks, rec.games.trading-cards.magic.strategy) have
   stopped receiving new articles since the geniuses who ousted Mike
   cold-booted all the Winternet hardware.

I get this image of Mike sitting at a console, scanning the mail that
comes in, muttering to himself, "Okay, this should go to ISD.NET, this
goes over to the U, here's a news article that fkeys'll want to read ..."

-- 

John D. Boggs            \ The great thing about human language is
jdb@robigo.winternet.com  \   that it prevents us from sticking to
                           \    the matter at hand.  -Lewis Thomas

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From: paulm@winternet.com (Paul Montgomery)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 13:39:26 GMT
Organization: Starnet Communicatioms
Lines: 38
Distribution: local
Message-ID: <31dfbde9.657144@news.winternet.com>
References: <4ro69e$7t7@blackice.winternet.com>
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On 7 Jul 1996 11:15:58 GMT, drechsau@visi.com (Mike Horwath) wrote:

>I have created Winternet, and made it what it is by working very
>hard over the last 4 years.
>
>The people who forcibly took control of the Winternet machines and
>offices are investers who have had nothing to do with the day to day
>operations of Winternet for the majority of the last two years.
>
>The locks on the Winternet office doors have been changed and neither
>I, nor any of my employees, have been given keys.  They have
>instructed the building security to deny us access to the offices.
>
>They have locked me out of my account and have removed any power I, or
>my staff, had to do system administration.
>
>With the help of many customers, I have been monitoring the system.  I
>have been keeping detailed logs of all of the problems that have
>occured since the afternoon on Friday, July 5th, 1996.
>
>I have been consulting with my attorney and am working hard to correct
>the current situation.
>
>I am dedicated to returning to you the Winternet that you know with
>all its good points, and bad.
>
>I, and my excellent staff, have enjoyed working with Winternet and its
>customers, and we hope to be at the helm again soon.
>
>Thank you for your support and continued confidence in myself, and my
>staff.
>
>--
>Mike Horwath     (because of problems with mail receptions, if you send)
>                 (email, please send to all addresses below.  thanks)
>H: 612-588-7740  drechsau@visi.com, drechsau@io.org, drechsau@geeks.org

This has got to be a joke...

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From: kbremer@winternet.com (Kevin Bremer)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Followup-To: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Date: 7 Jul 1996 14:21:40 GMT
Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
Lines: 14
Distribution: local
Message-ID: <4roh5k$lqg@blackice.winternet.com>
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Paul Montgomery (paulm@winternet.com) Wrote:
> 
> 
> This has got to be a joke...

        Nope.  I was able to talk with Mike personaly and his 
announcement pretty much sums it up.  As much as I wish it were, this is 
no joke.  I'll be hanging around just long enough to see the outcome of 
this mess.  If things are not restored to normal, I'll be jumping ship.  
Anyone know of any other decent ISP's?

-- 
Kevin Bremer (kbremer@winternet.com) Minneapolis, Minnesota (USA)
ftp://ftp.winternet.com/users/kbremer  http://www.winternet.com/~kbremer/

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From: paulm@winternet.com (Paul Montgomery)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 15:21:52 GMT
Organization: Starnet Communicatioms
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On 7 Jul 1996 14:21:40 GMT, kbremer@winternet.com (Kevin Bremer)
wrote:

>Paul Montgomery (paulm@winternet.com) Wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This has got to be a joke...
>
>       Nope.  I was able to talk with Mike personaly and his 
>announcement pretty much sums it up.  As much as I wish it were, this is 
>no joke.  I'll be hanging around just long enough to see the outcome of 
>this mess.  If things are not restored to normal, I'll be jumping ship.  
>Anyone know of any other decent ISP's?
>
>-- 
>Kevin Bremer (kbremer@winternet.com) Minneapolis, Minnesota (USA)
>ftp://ftp.winternet.com/users/kbremer  http://www.winternet.com/~kbremer/

ummmm.... Sorry, still not biting. It'll take a little more that this
to convince me....#:-D 

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From: rbmier@winternet.com (Rich Mier)
Newsgroups: winternet.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: 7 Jul 1996 15:58:47 GMT
Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
Lines: 19
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>   drechsau@visi.com (Mike Horwath) writes:
>  I have created Winternet, and made it what it is by working very
>  hard over the last 4 years.
>  
>  The people who forcibly took control of the Winternet machines and
>  offices are investers who have had nothing to do with the day to day
>  operations of Winternet for the majority of the last two years.

                           (SNIP)
>>>>

        Quite frankly, if you (Mike) and crew are gone, I won't be renewing
my account with Winternet.  I just returned from a 1 week vacation late
yesterday and was unable to sign on for 2 hours and when I did, couldn't 
receive my EMAIL nor any News Groups.  It took until this morning.  I can't
and won't try to detail my reasons for leaving, there are just too many of them.

                           Rich Mier


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From: firehawk@winternet.com (Eric Spaeth)
Newsgroups: winternet.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 16:02:15 GMT
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Keyword: internet provider

In article <4roh5k$lqg@blackice.winternet.com>, kbremer@winternet.com (Kevin 
Bremer) wrote:
>Paul Montgomery (paulm@winternet.com) Wrote:

>this mess.  If things are not restored to normal, I'll be jumping ship.  
>Anyone know of any other decent ISP's?

This is my plan also... 

I found one place, BackPack Software Inc.  that offers something similar to 
Winternet.

Check it out at http://www.bpsi.net/services.html

This is only a last resort for me.  I'd much rather see Mike at the helm at 
Winternet than be forced to move to another service provider.

Eric


--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
        Eric Spaeth   -  Minnesota Bound!   -   Firehawk@winternet.com      

            "The things that make the most sense are often not true."
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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From: al@radparker.com (Al Iverson)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 11:37:52 +0100
Organization: http://radparker.com
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In article <31dfd588.6705328@news.winternet.com>, paulm@winternet.com
(Paul Montgomery) wrote:

: On 7 Jul 1996 14:21:40 GMT, kbremer@winternet.com (Kevin Bremer)
: wrote:
: 
: >Paul Montgomery (paulm@winternet.com) Wrote:
: >> 
: >> 
: >> This has got to be a joke...
: >
: >       Nope.  I was able to talk with Mike personaly and his 
: >announcement pretty much sums it up.  As much as I wish it were, this is 
: >no joke.  I'll be hanging around just long enough to see the outcome of 
: >this mess.  If things are not restored to normal, I'll be jumping ship.  
: >Anyone know of any other decent ISP's?

: ummmm.... Sorry, still not biting. It'll take a little more that this
: to convince me....#:-D 

Uh, Paul, this is not a joke. I've talked to Mike Horwath on the phone and
in person a few times over this weekend, and this is 100% true. Call
Winternet and ask them -- (612) 333-1505

-- 
Stephen's Family Restaurant -- 45th and Central Ave NE 
Delicious Food in Columbia Heights, MN -- (612) 571-4351
Check out our web site: http://radparker.com/stephens/

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From: paulm@winternet.com (Paul Montgomery)
Newsgroups: mn.general,winternet.general,visi.general
Subject: Re: Winternet Update Statement
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 19:39:32 GMT
Organization: Starnet Communicatioms
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On Sun, 07 Jul 1996 11:37:52 +0100, al@radparker.com (Al Iverson)
wrote:

>In article <31dfd588.6705328@news.winternet.com>, paulm@winternet.com
>(Paul Montgomery) wrote:
>
>: On 7 Jul 1996 14:21:40 GMT, kbremer@winternet.com (Kevin Bremer)
>: wrote:
>: 
>: >Paul Montgomery (paulm@winternet.com) Wrote:
>: >> 
>: >> 
>: >> This has got to be a joke...
>: >
>: >       Nope.  I was able to talk with Mike personaly and his 
>: >announcement pretty much sums it up.  As much as I wish it were, this is 
>: >no joke.  I'll be hanging around just long enough to see the outcome of 
>: >this mess.  If things are not restored to normal, I'll be jumping ship.  
>: >Anyone know of any other decent ISP's?
>
>: ummmm.... Sorry, still not biting. It'll take a little more that this
>: to convince me....#:-D 
>
>Uh, Paul, this is not a joke. I've talked to Mike Horwath on the phone and
>in person a few times over this weekend, and this is 100% true. Call
>Winternet and ask them -- (612) 333-1505
>
>-- 
>Stephen's Family Restaurant -- 45th and Central Ave NE 
>Delicious Food in Columbia Heights, MN -- (612) 571-4351
>Check out our web site: http://radparker.com/stephens/

Convinced!
 I've tried calling. They don't answer.