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	IRC Log
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Kevin Mathison was on IRC for a while on Sunday night (7-7-96), giving an "interview." Here is a log of that conversation. It has been edited for typos [by Al Iverson].

I've also added in the name of each participant, as well as their current status (Old Staff, New Staff, or "not an employee").

[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok, question..
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	what is the question?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	what is being done about the routing to visi.com
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	hold on--Kevin/merlin are you there?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I got like a screen full of questions here
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	are people msg you?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	folks--please don't /msg merlin. forward all questions to me...
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok tell me about visi.com and the problem
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	traceroute to visi.com (204.73.178.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	should go through I will call now
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Kevin: are Frame connections going to remain stable
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yes
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Kevin: was the Winternet staff fired?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(last weeks' staff, presumably)
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	--or did they actually resign as the "official" statements claimed?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	they said they would quit
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(my follow-up) but did they actually resign?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Kevin?? mike check (no pun intended)
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Everyone: Please DON'T /msg Kevin.. send all questions to me...
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	He may be checking on the routing to Visi... hold on... 10:13
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	hello
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	are Frame connections going to remain stable?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yes
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	will we get a formal statement from the new staff tomorrow after the
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	meetings with lawyers?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yes
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Were the staff members on vacation last week considered to have quit
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	too, or are they still employed at Winternet?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	sorry, folks... I'm not getting any reply either...
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	the staff stated that they would quit if Mike H. was fired, we took it that they quit. I did tell Mike that he was fired.
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(maybe the router died again ;-)
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	was on the phone with a customer
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	thought that was more important :)
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Well, you're on the internet with about 2 dozen customers, just to put it in perspective...
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	from what i understand ex customers
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Over the past several months there have been many problems at
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Winternet (yes, I am a heretic to say this) and since Friday, many
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	more have developed. Is there actually a plan to fix these issues?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(we have connection)
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(mike is replying)
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	We were checking into security issues recently and long term problems we had with equipment and software. Most have been fixed
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	uh, Kevin, that is
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	why have there been so many inconsistencies in what is being told to
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	the customers, and discrepancies from what you claim employees said
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	and what they themselves relate?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	hearsay is hearsay who said what?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	what about certain services like winternet's irc server? when will
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	that be back up?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	[more questions folks, or any i missed?]
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Someone took us off irc by E-Mailing the IRC operators. We have been up and down as the IRC operators struggle to keep us or not
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	how much of the staff have been replace already and can we be assured
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	that there is enough staff on hand to handle pending Frame orders?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok the entire staff has been replaced. Yes orders will be still be handled
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Did the staff members on vacation quit too? How?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Only one person ( a female) was not asked and the question was asked about 2 weeks ago
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	she will also be asked about employment
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	with the company
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	if she so desires
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	when will we get a list of the new tech's who
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	replaced the old?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Let's say, Monday or so we will post the names or call the office tomorrow
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Why was there little communication considering this has been planned
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	for two weeks?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	(hold on, folks...)
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	To tell the truth, in this case, would get the company sued and we'd like to give a truthful answer, so none was better
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Will the WUMP be held this month?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I think the WUMP will be rescheduled but read the newsgroups this week for further info (that wasn't a no)
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	when do you plan to have service and reliability back to their
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	previous level? When will routing be fixed? PPP? Authentication?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Send E-Mail or call the office or send them to me @ kmathson@Winternet.com
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	for ANY and all office resolution
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	[everyone--Kevin is in AZ and is badly lagged... ]
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	why are you skirting almost every question related to the new
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	winternet's inadequacies?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Not skirting, imagine you in the same situation, (and it had to be done the way it was) we were not the hackers, we were also trying to fix the current problems the machines had too as well as getting passwords and such
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	okay, since Kevin is lagged and all I suggest we direct all our questions to him via private email
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	and end the moderated session
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	or perhaps he could respond to all the questions in the newsgroups
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	to be more public
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	Thanks Kevin, for taking the time. This isn't a great forum to do this, but we appreciate any effort to reply to these issues and look forward to being informed on all relevant information that you can share.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah ok Chad, If the questions are mature I have no problem trying to answering them. The problem is that the TRUTH will (when spoken ) be too hard to bear for you.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I myself have no more questions, and newsgroups are a better forum
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	and you know the TRUTH
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I have a few
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	for you Chad
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	care to answer
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	okay shoot
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I will answer what I can
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Who paid for Friday night movies and meals out on Friday nights
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	hard to answer or need coaching?
[WiseWind - Ralph A Foy, not an employee]	everyone party...
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	cool! thanks again Wise Wind
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Um, when I went with people took turns paying.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	the company never paid
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	we always took turns paying
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what difference does that make, Kevin?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	asking a question
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I see that Mike H. sister is out there
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	a question for here
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	Karin is not on
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	a question for her
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	sure sure
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	JillyBean is Jill, _not_ Mike's sister
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah ok
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	do you mind if I +v the former Winternet employees?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I will say this
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok go ahead
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	when were our movies paid for?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	oh bye the way, anything i ask here is speculative and NOT a accusation just a question...
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	sure
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	the company never paid for any movies
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	heh
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok I'll take that answer
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	what did the company pat for
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	pay for
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	we either A) all chipped in, or B) Mike or Jeremy paid for them
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	you have the check book
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	ask dougm and/or mike about financial stuff
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	i don't think anyone currently here is qualified to answer that questions
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	question, that is.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	why you can't all for your selves it was a team effort i though
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	thought
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok another question, how many of you signed the company checkbook?
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Not me
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Karin, Doug, Mike
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	none of us on here did
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	be honest it's sitting right here
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	now now don't lie who did?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I didn't...
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Karin, Doug, Mike
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	i have it right here
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	As far as I know
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Ok, tell us, master?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	look for yourself
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	nah well you don't know too much
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	so tell us who signed it?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	condescension rules
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Chad did you sign it?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	no
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	no
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I never signed it
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I have never signed the check book
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Karin signed it a couple of times
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Mostly Doug
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	what do you mean?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	what?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	how does this relate at all to us?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I know she signed some of the big bills to Us West
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	Kevin, what's your point here? If you seem to know who signed the checkbook, then tell us
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	did you know that signing a a checkbook you don't have the signature at the bank for is a Federal Offense?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well you wanted to know why
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	And that's why none of us signed it.
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	that's irrelevant to the issue at hand
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	did you guys get your christmas bonuses?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I tell you, none of us here on this channel have ever signed the checkbook
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	not to me it's not
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	That can be fixed, it was a honest mistake
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	fixed
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	sure sure, not to you
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	did you guys get your christmas bonuses?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	So, what are you implying, Kevin?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	take it up with those responsible.. no one here is concerned with it
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	take it up with those responsible.. no one here is concerned with it
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	i did.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I did
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	anyone else?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	i got a christmas bonus
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	We hope you did
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I wasn't an employee at the time
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Everyone who was working at the time did
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	as far as I know
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	if we're looking for faults in the company, Kevin, I dare say there are more now than there were before.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Jill was not working at that time
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Is Jeremy Berg on here?
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Yepper.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	no
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	I wasn't there yet.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	Jeremy is not on
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	not at the moment
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	jeremy is not
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	you can tell him he has a small problem
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Jeremy paid for lots of equipment
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	with his credit cards.
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	you can tell him he has a small problem
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well just so you all know Mike did have a boss it was called the board you don't answer to the boss you get canned -
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	That's up to you Kevin. Not us.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	what is jeremy's problem
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Seems to have signed a checkbook he shouldn't have a few times
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I blame Mike for that more than Jeremy
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I'm sure it was not done on purpose
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	actually Jill it is up to the board as a whole, not just kevin, which includes michael and mike
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	When have there been any Official Board meetings?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Well, the board has a right to run the company as it sees fit.Yes 4 that Mike H. admits too
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	have the receipts of them too
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Doug M. was at 2 of them too
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	ok
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Are you back at home right now?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	how many do you say there were?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	The Shareholders and the Board ARE the owners of the company
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	and even and owner cannot break the law
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	we know, whats your point?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	4 or more
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	4 or more?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	you don't have an exact number?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	if you're driving toward some sort of point, kevin, then please state it
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	don't you know for sure?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	What is your current title kevin?
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Surely if they were official meeting you took down the minutes.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Well the board wanted you all to stay, Mike and you all said you would resign,
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	we were never given the chance to resign I might add
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	we were never given the chance to resign I might add
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Kevin, if the best thing you can come up with is that a couple of people signed the checkbook who were not supposed to. thats a pretty lame argument
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	hearsay
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well we did take notes Mike H. did Mike F. did I did so there were meeting minutes unfortunately someone never entered them like he said he would
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	uh, Kevin. I wasn't at that meeting...
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	did you receive and written resignations?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I have not quit.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	you never asked me
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I'll leave that like this..ever heard of an iceberg...this is the tip
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	I have not quit either.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I haven't quit
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	You said in that meeting you grilled me at and before IF MIKE gets fired we walk... care to take a stab at that one?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	who did?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I have never turned in any resignation, although I was there when you said, and I quote "You're fired Mike! and your whole crew is fired!"
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	If you don't have it in writing, then it's hearsay
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I didn't.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	gee you all have sort term memories guess you should find other jibs
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	jobs
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I never made any statement like that, to you or your people
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	short term memory?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	no in front of witnesses it considered fact
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I wasn't even at that meeting
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yes we know Jill
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Who are the witnesses, besides yourself?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I will say that I have made that statement on multiple occasions
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Gee Jill you were going to be canned anyway
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	not by me either :)
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	that still does not constitute a resignation
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah yeah it does
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I have made the statement, but never to you or your people, kevin.
*** TheRealDJ (golstad@pizza.winternet.com) has joined channel #winternet-mod
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	you gave the board an ultimatum that is considered your word on the subject
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I have made it as well, but I don't think I've EVER spoken to you kevin...
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	enough of your condescending banter, kevin.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	hey your banter is condescending give me a break
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	who?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	so is what you are saying on the net but hey go to it
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	what witnesses?
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Of course. I don't really believe that since many of the customers were giving me great compliments.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	another owner
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	man, we need to go on Oprah.. they live for this kinda thing
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	names kevin, names...
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	see the problem is you believe what you want not the truth
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Well, do you expect me to believe YOU?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	why must you say "another owner" everyone knows there are three, therefore it must be michael
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ask Mike H. if you can get him to tell ya
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	ahh yes... the great 'Truth'
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	who was present when we said we all quit? Who, besides your self will back you up. Did any of us ever say 'I Quit.'
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well who was in the meeting with vector?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I wasn't
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Did any of us ever say to you , I Quit
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	and who talk to you before the meeting with vector..
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	and it was a meeting with you, not vector
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Did any of us ever say to you , I Quit
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	and who talk to you before the meeting with vector..
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	and it was a meeting with you, not vector
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	i was.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	not to me but I didn't have to be said just to me what you say does count don't forget that what you do counts too
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Seemed to be a set-up like Mike H. said it was to me a couple days after
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	do you speak English?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	Kevin, I have never spoken to you
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Ok, well at this time. I want to make it clear, to Kevin, Mike and Mike, and the logfile. that as of right now, I have not quit
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	Nor have I
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Well are you ready to work monday?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Hell yeah
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I have not quit either, but I was fired on friday
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	from kevin's own mouth
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I'll be there at my usual time kevin
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yeah and Chad did you kick someone out of your house today?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I do remember saying that "I will support Mike"
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	as will i
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I did not kick anybody out of my house
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	as will I
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	kinda low
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	what does this have to do with the conversation
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	I didn't quit either.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	What she did was low
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	just wondering what kinda of person i am dealing with
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff] that [...]	deserved to be kicked out. (this is also irrelevant)
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	dont play that kevin
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	kinda low
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	what does this have to do with the conversation
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	I didn't quit either.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	What she did was low
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	just wondering what kinda of person i am dealing with
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff] that [...]	deserved to be kicked out. (this is also irrelevant)
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	dont play that kevin
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah ok here comes the truth
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	Heather living in my house was a deal with _my_mom_ I have no control over that
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	or should I say not very professional
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	She was friends with many of us, And by doing this she has gone behind our backs.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	sure sure Chad no prob.....
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	What she did WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL!
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah too bad you sound like 5 year olds
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	do you want my mom on irc to verify this?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	all she did was take a job
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Take the job that all her friends just got fired from
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	doesn't matter just i know what kinda of people i am dealing with here
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	she was not asked to vacate for that
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	sure sure Chad
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	no one will believe that except a fool
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	And we know what kind of people we're dealing with.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	but what ever looks bad doesn't it
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	do you mind if dmueller has a voice?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	At least heather was given notice, unlike some other people
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	yeah people who did a lot for all of you but you were NEVER told
* neurotic plays kevins games
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	don't care
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I knew you existed.
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[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	As Well as Michael, I have met Micheal before
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I knew you existed, but I;ve never met you.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I had talked with mike about you before
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Mike never tried to hide you
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well i can't all at your level forever and this has been fun to vent like you are all doing to me so :)
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	you want to leave?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	mmhmm
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Kevin, we are presenting facts as we know them
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	questions are still unanswered
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	and they will be too I can't answer all of them
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Kevin, I would still like to know where you were going with all that check stuff.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	kevin: what is your title?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Chad why do you want to know?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	just curious
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	kevin, EVERY Winternet customer wants to know
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Chad suer sure
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Kevin. I would like to know why it seems like you are not answering certain questions directly.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well all that are here are mostly ex employees
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	mostly?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	umm
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	why should I I can't get mine answered squarely either
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	not ignored
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Not me. Just a fairly neutral customer until the 10-11 hour downtime that I experienced.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	we have answered all your questions to the best of our abilities
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	there are 35 people here
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	you seem to be asking the questions that we cannot answer
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer?
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[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Kevin what point do your questions have? If you have stuff to say, ie the checkbook etc.. Please just say it. Playing "question games" aren't going to get anyone anywhere.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I was asking questions for future dealings just wanted to know?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Well scroll up a bit and look :)
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Dont you know?
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Kevin. Will the winternet staff who haven't "officially" resigned be allow to return to work on Monday?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	okay, hrm... seems the only questions you've been asking us can only be answered by folk who aren't here at the moment
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Ie: kevin b., jill, etc.
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	(and doug r.)
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	Jonah, Scott
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	doug rau
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	dan
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	karin
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	ryan
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Well?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	i.e. everybody but mike h., doug m., and myself
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer? If they exist, please point them out so we can address them.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	you all officially resigned ok that's my position (except for Jill)
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	excuse me?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	when did I resign?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I think you need it on paper in a court of law, kevin
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	jonah was not at the meeting either
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer? If they exist, please point them out so we can address them.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	gotta go have work to do
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	well kevin?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	bullshit
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	you too can scroll up, kevin, and find questions you feel were not adequately answered
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	what is your title?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer? If they exist, please point them out so we can address them.
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Thanks for being professional kevin.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	what is your title?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I was not at the meeting
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Kevin, are you president of winternet?
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	:-/
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	I am sure certain sections of this will be hacked out.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	gee why do you want to know
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	yes, we do.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	is that a problem to answer?
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	why do you want people not to know?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Are you scared to answer?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	nah not really why?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	scared :)
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	real scared :)
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I would like to know, because I want to know what winternet future is.
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	may I quote you from friday kevin?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	come on what is the urgency to know that?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	kevin, why are you so anal about answering?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Chad I fired Mike H.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Why? Because I think it would be inappropriate for you to have that title
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	don't you think your customers want to know?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	why are you anal about asking what do you really care for? answer that
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	"You are not the president Mike, I am," Kevin Mathison
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	thank you chad
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	We'll probably never get the truth from this Jonah.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I've never even met the guy
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I doubt he even knows who I am
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I plan on being there at my usual time tomorrow
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I want to know who is In charge, so I can address that person when I enter the office tomorrow.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	asked for Mike Frankowski ok
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	ditto
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I think he is back in Arizona, where I am sure he can manage the day to day business of winternet fine.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	And introduce myself as scott, technical support.
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer? If they exist, please point them out so we can address them. So far, you have not supported your allegation of unanswered questions.
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Why do you avoid the question. O have given plenty of reason why it should be told
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	and introduce myself (whom you've never met), as Jonah, technical support
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	understand here everyone this is my only chance to find info and this was suppose to be a private channel Chad? employees only you said?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	need another dew, brb
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	only employees have voice
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	and dmueller who I asked about
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	nah was suppose to be just us right Chad?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I never kicked anybody off
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	why are you avoiding the questions?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	dmueller just restated questions you STILL have not answered
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	what questions were ignored that we were qualified to answer? If they exist, please point them out so we can address them. So far, you have not supported your allegation of unanswered questions.
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	why can't I even get a straight answer on that one?
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[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	there
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	it's a very simple question
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	just a note, whoever is logging this, please email it to me when it finished
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[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Kevin. Will you please answer these questions. Continuing to avoid them only makes you look worse.
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[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well i'll say this, you all lied to me tonight again period, I NEVER wanted to see any of you go, you all, except for 1 person said absolutely IF MIKE is FIRED we will all leave and he told us the same thing too this is the point I want to get across.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	kevin, WHEN DID I TELL YOU THAT?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Kevin, I stated to your face that would support mike
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	You can say anything you want now, but the point is you and Mike both said it get real here
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Kevin, what about the people who were on vacation and could not possible say such things?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Who was on vacation
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	kevin, WHEN DID I TELL YOU THAT?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	who was on vacation?
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Doug Rau
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Look kevin, either have a recording, or have someone else to support you, or have it on paper
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	Dan
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Doug Rau said it in the meeting ok I was there
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Jonah was not around
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	was he a volunteer?
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I would like to point out that doug rau said nothing the entire meeting
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	I'm an employee
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	I am in correction, about doug rau
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok who are you Wackadoo
[dmueller - Dana Mueller, not an employee]	Sorry.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	Jonah Klevesahl, technical support
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Jonah is new to our staff
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok Jonah maybe you weren't there but Mike said you would quit too, I understand you may have not said it to me ok
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	and I never resigned
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ah ok Mike was told NOT to hire any more employees period
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	that was Mike
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	Mike of course cannot speak for us
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	when was he told this
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well he did alot of speaking you allof you alot
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	but you were asked twice Chad
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	when was he told this
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	yes I was
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	and both times I said I would quit
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	So live with your decision then
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	I am not arguing my decision
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I have told mike I would quit
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	have I asked for my job back?
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I told you I would support mike
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	Yeah but a few other s are and they said the same thing
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	so what did you mean then neurotic?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	however I did not say that to you. I shall be there tomorrow at my usual time
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Thats what I said
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	Plain and simple.
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	ok answer what did that mean....
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I never told you I would kevin
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	quit
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	man, the winternet news groups are amusing as hell lately
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	well there are people counting on me too do a few things so I better get to them
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	I waited to get fired
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	however I did not say that to you. I shall be there tomorrow at my usual time
[TDO - Chad Trost, Old Staff]	hrmm like fix routing?
[Merlin - Kevin Mathison, New Staff]	see ya
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[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	and that is that
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	and on that note.
[_Griffin_]	looser
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	wooha!
[Jala - Kevin Brintnall, Old Staff]	that's cute
* TDO turns his log off
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	why would he not answer questions?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	not I
[dissident]	why was mike fired? and if he still owns part of the company can't he fire this moron?
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	scott: he was squirming
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	where was he going with the whole checking stuff.
[_dino]	what an ass, leaves
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	They can fire him.
[Wackadoo - Jonah Klevesahl, Old Staff]	scott, cause he knew we wouldn't be able to answer anything
[neurotic - Scott Morford, Old Staff]	they cant take him off the board
[JillyBean - Jill Johnson, Old Staff]	dissident, Kevin and Michael together have controlling interest. majority rules I guess. :(

Hmmm... gives you confidence in the new management, doesn't it?